Joe – like you I struggled to understand why Trump was so “popular” in the US – 70M people can’t all be stupid…
Arlie’s story of line jumping makes sense to me and explains at least some of it. Just how Joe Biden explains why they can’t go back to the 1960’s but how a bridge to 2030 can be built will be a task for the very best…
It is very refreshing to be a participant in conversations which endeavour to get to the essence of issues and to explore in a non-partisan way,the reasons why such situations have arisen.So much stuff these days is uttered through megaphones in tone deaf ways to their pre-selected adoring audiences ,so that in reality nothing new is learnt and we regress rather than progress.
A lot has to do with the quality and depth of experience of the speakers- keep up the great identification process.
This is a great conversation which does help explain what is happening, or rather has already happened, in the US. I its especially valuable in allowing us to understand those 70 million plus Trump voters most of whom, it seems to me, are actively voting directly against their own interests. [Which BTW many Australian voters are too in voting for #scottyfrommarketing.] It is great to have the relevant references too thanks.
Trump is a cheat and himself a line cutter – inheriting his [former] wealth, cheating his workers, pretending billions which are not his at all. While I find much of what she says compelling, I just don’t buy Arlie’s argument that Trump is seen by his voters as somehow ‘suffering’. I disagree that he knows about struggle – he is simply not that intelligent or self-aware. I think people like him BECAUSE he is seen as cheating and then winning – the quick way to that fatal ‘American dream’ …the ceaseless ‘pursuit of happiness’ as some sort of permanent state of being. Trump personifies this fruitless quest. We do need to de-trump the world.
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Neville
Joe – like you I struggled to understand why Trump was so “popular” in the US – 70M people can’t all be stupid…
Arlie’s story of line jumping makes sense to me and explains at least some of it. Just how Joe Biden explains why they can’t go back to the 1960’s but how a bridge to 2030 can be built will be a task for the very best…
Garry Mackrell
It is very refreshing to be a participant in conversations which endeavour to get to the essence of issues and to explore in a non-partisan way,the reasons why such situations have arisen.So much stuff these days is uttered through megaphones in tone deaf ways to their pre-selected adoring audiences ,so that in reality nothing new is learnt and we regress rather than progress.
A lot has to do with the quality and depth of experience of the speakers- keep up the great identification process.
Deb Campbell
This is a great conversation which does help explain what is happening, or rather has already happened, in the US. I its especially valuable in allowing us to understand those 70 million plus Trump voters most of whom, it seems to me, are actively voting directly against their own interests. [Which BTW many Australian voters are too in voting for #scottyfrommarketing.] It is great to have the relevant references too thanks.
Trump is a cheat and himself a line cutter – inheriting his [former] wealth, cheating his workers, pretending billions which are not his at all. While I find much of what she says compelling, I just don’t buy Arlie’s argument that Trump is seen by his voters as somehow ‘suffering’. I disagree that he knows about struggle – he is simply not that intelligent or self-aware. I think people like him BECAUSE he is seen as cheating and then winning – the quick way to that fatal ‘American dream’ …the ceaseless ‘pursuit of happiness’ as some sort of permanent state of being. Trump personifies this fruitless quest. We do need to de-trump the world.